Can't Afford the Move?

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sandersonair
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Can't Afford the Move?

Post by sandersonair » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 pm

So you are looking for that next hot talent. Note in your posting, be up-front, if you can't afford to pay someones moving expenses SAY SO in your posting. When you are listing all the great things about your station-group......low cost of living, non PPM, non-corporate, family owned, low crime, etc. Go ahead say "I can't afford to rent you a moving truck". You want honesty out of potential employees then man up.


BTW. I have a job in the business but Ive heard from friends and others who are looking this excuse after the first interview. TOOLs of the Trade.

danno
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by danno » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:43 pm

kind of makes you wonder Just How Serious they are about filling the position.. i hope they have some Wonderful talent that lives down the street from them, and IF they did they would be working there anyway. just how much do YOU want to pay for that next job? i guess it starts with paying for your own moving expenses, when it is THEY who "Want You". i own a 4 bedroom house, with today's falling housing prices, i might lose my ass on selling it, THEN add the insult of paying for my own moving expenses? who has and extra 5K-8k when they're looking for a job? but IF they're looking for the 20 year old dude who'll do ANYTHING to get a radio job and has everything they own in the trunk of their 85' oldsmobile, i guess THIS WOULD WORK. but i don't think they will attract "Serious" Experienced talent. in a situation like this...NEGOTIATE: i worked out a deal years ago where they paid for my move and if i chose to leave the job before a certain period of time i would pay back a "Pro-Rated" amount, and of course if they FIRED me THEY ATE THE MOVNG EXPENSE, worked out well, i chose to leave the station AFTER 7 years and my move was paid..... if they won't work with you, THEY'RE NOT WORTH WORKING FOR....

jjenkins
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by jjenkins » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:01 am

If you don't want the job enough to figure out how to get there, maybe don't apply? Leave the jobs for those with true passion and drive. You sound like a socialist - gimmie more, gimmie more. How about go out and get it? You belong working retail.

danno
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by danno » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:56 pm

Ya, i wouldn't apply if they were not including moving expenses, Because at this time i not only couldn't afford it(to get a "Job" in radio) you gotta ask yourself, just WHAT kind of Half-Assed operation is IT that WANTS you for a job across country, YET will not make the Investment to get you there? Yes, you might BE better off working retail or as a garbage man for the city, than to be a some kind of ***.
i know budgets are tight but IF a radio station Really Wants You they will do what it takes to make you happy in your new job. If they won't, i doubt you will be happy working for them.

bdimario
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by bdimario » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:23 am

It's even worse when they have you drive 4 hours on your own dime for what turns into what I like to call a 'drive-thru' interview. You leave town, feeling good, liked hearing what everyone had to say and then find out through All Access' news page, that they hired someone else. Makes you want to call and thank them for wasting money and time that you don't have.

danno
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by danno » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:57 pm

in a situation like that, its a gamble IF you want to take it. if i were going to drive 4 hours, i would want to know, HOW interested in You are they? find out if you are making the trip, Gas is expensive, will they pay your gas? if they FLY you there, YOU'VE PROBABLY GOT THE JOB. THAT will tell you something about their interest.
WELL HERE'S ONE FOR YA.... out of work many years ago, saw a job posting and sent to the PD, he returned the call and said "Hey why don't you come up(over a 100 mile trip) and lets see how you sound on the station"- and we'll talk, so it was a live audition(the 1st and LAST time i will ever do this)...the long & short of it... [bI I THOUGHT THE PD REALLY LIKED ME] BECAUSE i ended up filling in for the afternoon guy for 5 days,(later found out) it was so he could take a vacation[/b] there was NO mention of that "job opening" from the PD during my time there, no offer to pay my gas food or lodging. when it was Obvious i was being USED and there would be NO job , i demanded that i be at least paid back for my expenses or paid for my week of "WORK".

bdimario
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by bdimario » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:40 am

Oh - I've had one of those, too, but with a much different ending. Early on in my career, I sent a package for a job opening at a pretty legendary Rock station in NY state. They asked me up to see the area (same as you - on my own dime), brought me in on a Thursday night, had me do the live audition thing throughout the weekend and then on Sunday, while at the interview dinner, the PD gets rip roarin' drunk and tells me that I've got the job and that HE CAN'T WAIT TO FIRE ME....check, please...

Back to the original topic at hand - I actually do all the checking and double checking about the seriousness of their inquiry, especially if they want me to foot the bill. This last time around, after pestering them (politely) for an explanation, they told me that I was 'the leading candidate and I said and did everything right, but it turns out a 20 year market vet got blown out the day before they were going to call and offer me the job...'

Yeah...ok...

dad
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by dad » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:11 pm

For those that have not noticed the practice of "Not covering the moving costs" is widespread in almost every industry.
Speak to a few folks outside of broadcasting you will see it is much more common now than ever before.
I do not like it one bit but it is the reality of hard economic times.
got too much stuff? There is always craigslist

Travel lite(FM) or deal with the situation near you.
Or your being a fastidio sir : ) j/k

danno
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by danno » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:51 pm

dad wrote:For those that have not noticed the practice of "Not covering the moving costs" is widespread in almost every industry.
Speak to a few folks outside of broadcasting you will see it is much more common now than ever before.
I do not like it one bit but it is the reality of hard economic times.
got too much stuff? There is always craigslist

Travel lite(FM) or deal with the situation near you.
Or your being a fastidio sir : ) j/k
i don't know what the practices are outside of radio, but most of the moves are done across town rather than across country. i imagine a fortune 500 Company making a hire from LA to NY would pay for the move.
i guess radio should go after the "Local Talent"(if they're not under a Non-Compete) then, because i don't know too many people in radio who have a "Stash" set aside for moving expenses, in order to take a job across country.

bdimario
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Re: Can't Afford the Move?

Post by bdimario » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:38 am

I rarely, if ever, reply to anything that isn't within reasonable distance, anymore. It's not worth the aggravation (to both parties) in having a discussion and having the 'make or break' point be the move. But it does go both ways. In this economy, yes - people shouldn't expect a bought and paid for trip across the state or country. At the same time, it makes you wonder why companies advertise nationally on a forum like All Access, along with even considering and/or contacting you for the job, and then act shocked or surprised when you say that you need some help getting there? I know that most radio managers aren't THAT naive to think that if I'm out of work and applying to a job from 1,000 miles away, that I have a trust fund that I can dip in to whenever I need it...

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